Developer Preview

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  1. #1
    Terror 4,180
    Let's talk about the Developer Preview revoke - and the narrative some people are trying to spin

    I want to address something that's been bothering me about the backlash surrounding the revoked Developer Preview access on the forums and especially outside (Reddit).

    First, let's be clear about what it was: a Developer Preview. A beta. A preview. Not a purchase, not a promise, not a lifetime license. The word "preview" is right there in the name.

    Garry and Facepunch never stated anywhere that preview access would automatically carry over into a free copy at launch. The game is launching on April 28th at a price comparable to Garry's Mod - which, by any standard, is fair for what s&box is offering.

    The narrative flip

    What I'm seeing now is a textbook case of entitlement creep, and it's worth calling out:

    • "I put hundreds of hours into this, so I deserve free access" - You also got hundreds of hours of free entertainment and development time out of it. That's not a debt Facepunch owes you, that's a benefit you already received.

    • "I was actively developing something, so they can't just cut me off" - Developing on a free preview platform is not a contract. It's a privilege that was always explicitly temporary.

    • "They should have warned us" - The launch date and pricing have been publicly discussed for months.

    What Garry actually did

    Out of 800,000 preview users, 40,000 get to keep access for free. That includes:
    • Developers with published games that have actual playtime
    • Anyone who bought cosmetics/MTX
    • Players with significant hours who opened the game recently
    The MTX criteria makes complete sense. If you spent money on the platform, there's a real financial relationship there, that's a fair and reasonable threshold.

    Facepunch handled this transparently and generously, all things considered. If you're upset you didn't get a free copy of a game you never paid for, that's not injustice, that's just how a product launch works.

  2. #2
    Skipin 1,432

    No, dude, you're wrong. They even took away access from matt. This is unacceptable.
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  3. #3
    bigfloppa
    i kind of found it hilarious the need of you to dickride so much for s&box, my guy its 20$, the game/engine is going to flop so bad lol

    if you look outside of the echo chamber that is the fp discord and this forum i would guess, noone cares about s&box lol, and i can already see, noone will buy the game for 20$, considering the amount of sloppy games they are on there.
  4. #4
    Сучка Эпштейна 238

    This is basically the opinion of someone who didn’t have the game taken away. So you’re essentially “buying” the game with skins just to keep access to it, while players who were actually active ended up losing it.


    What exact criteria are we even talking about? The criteria are on the level of “play enough” and “buy something, but not too little or we’ll definitely take the game away.”


    I had the game launched every single day this month, and I’m sure many others who are complaining did too.


    The only thing I would want is the ability to message in Discord and submit an appeal — at least that could help solve the problem in some way.

  5. #5
    Terror Started this 4,180

    Skipin posted:

    No, dude, you're wrong. They even took away access from matt. This is unacceptable.
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    I agree there should be a way to appeal for the people that got revoked access unfairly.

    bigfloppa posted:

    i kind of found it hilarious the need of you to dickride so much for s&box, my guy its 20$, the game/engine is going to flop so bad lol

    if you look outside of the echo chamber that is the fp discord and this forum i would guess, noone cares about s&box lol, and i can already see, noone will buy the game for 20$, considering the amount of sloppy games they are on there.

    None of what you said addresses the actual argument. Whether s&box succeeds commercially is completely irrelevant to whether people were entitled to free launch access after a free preview, they weren't.

    Also, 'nobody outside the echo chamber cares' is an interesting take for someone who cared enough to reply.

    Сучка Эпштейна posted:

    This is basically the opinion of someone who didn’t have the game taken away. So you’re essentially “buying” the game with skins just to keep access to it, while players who were actually active ended up losing it.



    What exact criteria are we even talking about? The criteria are on the level of “play enough” and “buy something, but not too little or we’ll definitely take the game away.”



    I had the game launched every single day this month, and I’m sure many others who are complaining did too.



    The only thing I would want is the ability to message in Discord and submit an appeal — at least that could help solve the problem in some way.

    That's a fair frustration, if you were genuinely active every day, it stings to lose access. 

    A preview was never a promise of a free copy at launch, regardless of how active you were.

    The appeal idea is actually reasonable, if there are edge cases where active users slipped through the cracks, that's worth flagging. But framing it as 'they took the game away from me' isn't quite right either. They ended a free preview. The game was never yours to begin with.
  6. #6
    Сучка Эпштейна 238
    As a developer, I’m obviously unhappy for understandable reasons. Developers who didn’t lose access have a huge advantage — they can release their game right away and get a large audience from the very start, basically having a “VIP” ticket.


    Meanwhile, my team just has to continue development, and most likely won’t get our audience because it’ll already be too late.


    That’s really demotivating for me as a creator.

  7. #7
    Asphaltian 1,473

    bigfloppa posted:

    i kind of found it hilarious the need of you to dickride so much for s&box, my guy its 20$, the game/engine is going to flop so bad lol

    if you look outside of the echo chamber that is the fp discord and this forum i would guess, noone cares about s&box lol, and i can already see, noone will buy the game for 20$, considering the amount of sloppy games they are on there.

    Lol is this the same retard that's been baiting on the Steam forums? No one cares mate
  8. #8
    bigfloppa
    ok mr echo chamber, have fun with your dead game lol.
  9. #9
    Pusa 115
    Well, I care. Honestly I feel little bit frustrated too when I was revoked since im currently learning and developing new game. But I don't mind to take a break for a week and spend $20 for it. The engine is super easy to learn and i had fun!

    bigfloppa posted:

    i kind of found it hilarious the need of you to dickride so much for s&box, my guy its 20$, the game/engine is going to flop so bad lol

    if you look outside of the echo chamber that is the fp discord and this forum i would guess, noone cares about s&box lol, and i can already see, noone will buy the game for 20$, considering the amount of sloppy games they are on there.

  10. #10
    Vimiuz 875
    I got revoked even though I put 48 hours into the game in the past 2 weeks